If you haven't found out already, it looks like the attempt to
create an internet/Usenet rietveld newsgroup failed by 6 votes. Unless
anyone wishes to raise any "points of order", it looks like we will have to wait
at least another six months according to the guidelines before
another attempt can be made.
Following is the original message posted on sci.techniques.xtallography
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Also, as I can no longer log into our work email from home and
I am on holidays for a month (to kill 17 days of excess rec-leave), I
have a new email address to reach me at :-
lachlan@melbpc.org.au
After popping into work, it seems the backlog of email includes two
requests on how to vote yes and one on how to keep the status quo
and vote no. If it had have been 6 emails querying how to vote yes,
the PC mouse might have gone through the monitor accompanied by some
rather coarse language! :-)
Regards,
Lachlan.
PS : As most of you already know my views on the present level of
scientific/academic resources on the internet, I'll knuckle under
for the moment! :-)
Lachlan M.D. Cranswick _--_|\
Melbourne PC User Group, Australia / \
A/H Phone/Fax : (613) 9455-1345 \_.--._/
E-mail : lachlan@melbpc.org.au v
WWW : http://www.unige.ch/crystal/stxnews/stx/volnteer.htm
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From: Steve Bonine <spb@ntrs.com>
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Subject: RESULT: sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld fails 113:19
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RESULT
unmoderated group sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld fails 113:19
There were 113 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 132 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 8 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld Rietveld science and technology.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Jan 1996.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Lachlan Cranswick <Lachlan.Cranswick@minerals.csiro.au>
Votetaker: Steve Bonine <spb@ntrs.com>
RATIONALE: sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld
The over 300 participants of the Rietveld mailing list have
agreed with attempting to convert the existing mailing list
to a full Usenet newsgroup. This is to enable easier discussion of
scientific issues relating to the Rietveld based applications
to a full Usenet newsgroup. This is to enable easier discussion of
scientific issues relating to the Rietveld based applications
via newsreading software and create an "open" Rietveld resource
on the internet/Usenet. This would also help negate concerns that
are inhibitting discussions on the basis that mail boxes are
already too cluttered.
If created, the old mailing list will still be mirrored to
the newsgroup so that subscribers without newsgroup access
can continue participating. While the method was originally
created by Hugo Rietveld for the refinement of crystal structures,
it has greatly expanded beyond these borders to include
such fields as quantitative phase analysis, crystallite
size and strain analysis.
CHARTER: sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld
The newsgroup sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld will be
an open discussion forum for the international Rietveld
research community on the internet/Usenet.
Topics for Discussion
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The main topics for discussion are (but not limited to) :-
Applications for X-ray and Neutron Powder Diffraction
User problems and suggested fixes.
New user pitfalls :-
(e.g., why does my Rietveld software, while refining
a hexagonal structure, give beta not equal to 120 degrees?)
Sample preparation techniques.
Data collection techniques and optimization.
Vendor/author announcements of Rietveld software
(commercial and public domain).
Reviews/announcements of Rietveld books, articles and software.
Comparison of rietveld software
Installation of Rietveld software.
Rietveld Goodness of Fit Plots and other Graphical Output.
Discussion of new code, functions, algorithms, etc.
Data formats.
Software requirements
Available Software
Reported bugs/glitches/kludges/"features" of various software and
their possible work-arounds or solutions.
Discussion/comparison of complementary techniques :-
e.g., direct methods, maximum entropy.
Any other topics users consider relevant (suggestions welcome).
END CHARTER.
sci.techniques.xtallography.rietveld Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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72203.420@CompuServe.COM Stephen B. Robie
9ap@ornl.gov E. Andrew Payzant
@mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de:caali01@caali01 Stefan Liebing
AAREP@ACVAX.INRE.ASU.EDU Rosemary E. Gerald Pacalo
adhunter@cc.ysu.edu Allen D Hunter
ajschultz@anl.gov Arthur J. Schultz
alice@minmet.uq.oz.au Alice Harris
almendra@metalmat.ufrj.br Ericksson Almendra
annef@cohsoft.com.au Anne Foxworthy
armel@ONE.univ-lemans.fr Armel Le Bail
artioli@iummix.terra.unimi.it Gilberto Artioli
arturas@matphys.kth.se Arturas Vailionis
averma@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca Atul Verma
Bernard.Chenevier@inpg.fr Bernard Chenevier
birchall@pilot.njin.net Shag
Bish@lanl.gov David Bish
bjoern@min.uni-kiel.de Bjoern Winkler
bm4@classic.min.uni-heidelberg.de Arnt Kern
BREN@slac.stanford.edu Sean Brennan
bresnab@tiac.net Brian Bresnahan
C.LOBBAN@ucl.ac.uk Colin Lobban
cantonpa@unive.it Patrizia Canton
careya@PEAK.ORG Andrew Carey
carsten.schinzer@uni-tuebingen.de Carsten Schinzer
CHEM91@Jetson.UH.EDU Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789
choi@rrdstrad.nist.gov Chang Sun Choi
cls48@columbia.edu Christopher Lodge Stamper
cschoi@ccs.sogang.ac.kr Cheong Song Choi
ddragoi@du.edu Danut Dragoi
dgrier@plains.nodak.edu Dean Grier
Diffract@aol.com Ludwig Keller
dj2d@hrzpub.th-darmstadt.de Jeffrey Nicolich
esy@ornl.gov Eliot Specht
FLMAY@ccmail.monsanto.com Frank L. May
G.A.Patterson@reading.ac.uk Graham A. Patterson
gdean@vianet.net.au Graeme Dean
GORTER_S@rulgca.LeidenUniv.nl Drs. Ing. S. Gorter
granado@ifi.unicamp.br Eduardo Granado M. Silva - grad
grubb@msc.cornell.edu David Grubb
HARALAAG@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU Alex Haralampiev
hay@rivett.mst.csiro.au David Gilbert HAY
hewat@ill.fr hewat@ill.fr (Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble)
Howard.Flack@cryst.unige.ch Howard Flack
howard@rollanet.org Scott A. Howard
huffman@indiana.edu John C. Huffman
hugo.rietveld@pi.net Hugo Rietveld
hugo@rubiin.physic.ut.ee Hugo Ma'ndar
is06@students.stir.ac.uk I. Stirling
J.deOnate@kristall.erdw.ethz.ch Javier de Onate
jejda@chevron.com Eric J. Daniels
JGJACA@eucmax.sim.ucm.es Javier Garcia Jaca
JHOLSA@sara.cc.utu.fi Jorma HOLSA at University of Turku, FINLAND
Josef.Breu@chemie.uni-regensburg.de Josef Breu
joukj@alpha.chem.uva.nl J.JANSEN
jwk@nwu.edu John Koenitzer
kaduk@amoco.com James A. Kaduk
kavec@linux1.iepsaske.sk Kavecansky Viktor
kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn
Klaus-Georg.Adams@chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de Klaus-Georg Adams
klbnt@kbar.dtu.dk Niels Thorup
kosten@kristall.xtal.rwth-aachen.de Klaus Kosten
kou@ornl.gov Bryan Chakoumakos
kris049@rzbox.uni-wuerzburg.de Thilo Herrmannsdoerfer
kwinter@ludin.com.au Karsten Winter
lachlan@dmp.csiro.au Lachlan Cranswick
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder
m-hirshb@nimsn41.nimr.mrc.ac.uk Miri Hirshberg
M.C.Andrews@reading.ac.uk Michael Andrews
m.versluijs-helder@anorg.chem.ruu.nl Marjan Versluijs-Helder
mailcon@sara.nl Milco Numan
malloy00@io.com MA Lloyd
Marten.Barker@vme.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Marten G. Barker
mcginnis@nosc.mil Wayne C. McGinnis
michael@min.uni-kiel.de Michael Chall
"miller_s%Organization=Geoscience%Telephone=705-670-5635"@a1.torv05.um Stu
mlbrostrom@mmm.com Myles L. Brostrom I vote Yes on sci.techniques.xtallogra
mwdaniel@uiuc.edu Michael W. Daniels
NIEUWMK@alpha.unisa.ac.za Michel Nieuwoudt
Nita.Dragoe@chimsol.u-psud.fr Nita.Dragoe
norbert@stinch0.csmtbo.mi.cnr.it Norberto Masciocchi
Olivier.Joubert@cnrs-imn.fr O. JOUBERT
PARK@kristall.xtal.rwth-aachen.de Hyun Min PARK
paxil@interlog.com Trevor Tymchuk
peterson@geolserv.geol.queensu.ca Ron Peterson
PETES@cc.usu.edu Peter T. Kolesar
qfmatcvv@usc.es Vazquez-Vazquez, Carlos
Rafael.Ibanez@uv.es Rafael Ibanez Puchades
raftery@pigeon.qut.edu.au Tony Raftery
redrick@az.com Richard Nielsen
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu J. Rufinus
SAPPENFILDE@baylor.edu Eric Sappenfield
schumacp@battelle.org Philip M Schumacher
sfdrx1@usc.es Jose Benito Rodriguez Gonzalez
SNYDER@xray.alfred.edu X-ray X-press
Steve_Maginn@msicam.co.uk Dr. Stephen J. Maginn
tas@rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr Dr. A. Cuneyt Tas
tjbartcz@lodz1.p.lodz.pl TJ Bartczak
tomas@cae.wisc.edu Tomas Charles Willis
trail@MIT.EDU Steven S. Trail
tsi@suisse.att.com T. Siegrist
uachsmrk@savba.savba.sk Lubomir Smrcok
uccghjs@ucl.ac.uk John Stuart
uclasoch@cyf-kr.edu.pl Wieslaw Lasocha
valente@mc.edu Ed Valente
viani@s72.es.llnl.gov Brian Viani
VONDREELE@mist.lansce.lanl.gov R. Von Dreele
wakelyn@pinn.net N. T. Wakelyn
xanthian@qualcomm.com Kent Paul Dolan
yckim@kaeri.re.kr Yong Che Kim
yokof@zephyr.nrlssc.navy.mil Yoko Furukawa
zavalij@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Dr. Peter Zavalij
zheng@cz2.chem.niu.edu Chong Zheng
Voted No
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ananda@cs.utexas.edu Ananda M. Kar
catseye@netcom.com Mark Kupferman
csaamw@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers
dballard@ix.netcom.com Don Ballard
escharff@CS.Cornell.EDU Eric Scharff
jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
kmitchel@direct.ca Kevin Mitchell
kunz@esrf.fr Martin Kunz
lancec@dream.wireless.ucsc.edu Lance K. Chun
matt@perutz.salk.edu Matthew Bowen Harrington
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
ryang@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan
slsoled@erenj.com Stuart L. Soled
smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
tlawson@email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson
twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu Tim Pierce
Vincent.Archer@hsc.fr.net Vincent Archer
widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius
Abstained
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berar@esrf.fr Jean-Francois Berar ( berar@rx-crg1.polycnrs-gre.fr )
mmt@redbrick.com Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
Votes in error
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bin@conz.ci.uv.es Your name here
! Invalid address
geib@xchem2.chem.pitt.edu
! No name given
HALUSKA@xray.alfred.edu
! No name given
hbarwood@indiana.edu henry l. barwood
! No vote statement in message
lthomas@iastate.edu
! No vote statement in message
Mitchell_Malone@odp.tamu.edu
! No vote statement in message
RCarlson1@aol.com
! No name given
sgc@robots.ox.ac.uk
! No name given
Lachlan M.D. Cranswick _--_|\
Melbourne PC User Group, Australia / \
A/H Phone/Fax : (613) 9455-1345 \_.--._/
E-mail : lachlan@melbpc.org.au v
WWW : http://www.unige.ch/crystal/stxnews/stx/volnteer.htm